LRI+IGs+Analysis+WG+Meeting+2012-01-24

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LRI IG Analysis Meeting Minutes
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 * Date: ****Tuesday 01-24-2012 **
 * Time: ****3:00PM ET-5:00PM ET **
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**Meeting Agenda:**
([|LRIVocabularyHL7TableAnalysis-11162011-v1 10.xlsx]):
 * = **ID** ||= **Key Discussion Items** ||= **Duration** ||= **Presenter** ||
 * 1 || Scheduling discussion regarding OBX 4/Microbiology/ Grouping Parent-Child || 5 Minutes || Natalie Menser ||
 * 2 || Review HL7 Tables from Vocabulary WG
 * Check Digit Scheme
 * Encoding
 * Name Type
 * Subtype of Referenced Data || 20 Minutes || Riki Merrick ||
 * = 3 ||= Review of Ballot Comments that are marked in "light yellow":
 * #945- refers back to #426 which is in fact yellow
 * #409- refers back to #827, #828 (all are light yellow) ||= 15 Minutes ||= Hans Buitendijk ||
 * = 4 ||= Ballot Reconciliation (look at #936) ||= 80 Minutes ||= Hans Buitendijk ||

Hans Buitendijk, Ernest Grove, Freida Hall, Kate Hamilton, Les Keepper, Bob Lutolf, Natalie Menser, Riki Merrick, Brian Pech, Scott Robertson, Rob Snelick, Shalina Wadhwani
 * Attendance:**

Action Items
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Meeting Notes

 * Schedule Discussion Regarding OBX.4 **
 * Question: how is the sub-ID tied back to the parents?
 * Hans – we should schedule this for next Tuesday or Thursday, starting with the microbiology discussion
 * Ken McCaslin is out next week, so schedule the discussion for February 7, 2012 for more people to join
 * Bob Lutolf – some teams are already using the guide


 * Vocab WG HL7 Tables **
 * Page 6 (paragraph 1.5.1) of the IG on managing and use of OIDs refers to version 3 and CEA
 * Includes a section on how to include an OID
 * Hans – clarify this to make sure individuals know what the options are
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Refer Pilots to HL7 to get an OID, then worry about a repository later on
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Natalie Menser will add to the agenda an item about getting an OID, and will check the information with Bob Yencha and Ken McCaslin
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Check Digit Scheme (No. 912)
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">All resolved, just to add the clarifying language in the general comments section that when a C(O/X) or similar is used that a condition predicate will not be provided. Only once the O changes to something more specific
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No action
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Rob Snelick will address
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Encoding HL70299 (No. 963)
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">We’ve reviewed table HL70299 and concluded that the Pilots may come up with the need for additional values, but until then we’ll go with the values that are in the base standard
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">New comment resides at bottom of ballot reconciliation spreadsheet
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">HL70200
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">We reviewed tables HL70200 and concluded that the Pilots may come up with the needed for additional values, but until then we’ll go with the values that are in the base standard
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">HL70291 (No. 964)
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to use V2.7 for HL70291
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Les Keepper seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 7 for


 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Ballot Reconciliation **
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 936
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to include the paragraph as proposed by Vocab in the appropriate section (used to be 4.2)
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">This could be enhanced with a reference to standardized vocabularies for systems to stay on track
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Change language in first line to “it is recommended that LOINC codes either be stored…”
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Add a 4 <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">th <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> comment: “When lab results are shown over time and shared with subsequence providers LOINC codes provide consistency in communication and presentation.”
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Les Keepper moves, Frieda Hall seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 8 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 945
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Discussion on February 7th will assist with ballot reconciliation
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 827
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to retain the language and highlight that this guidance only as it cannot be re-expressed as a computable conformance statement
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Amend to suggest to prefix with “Conformance guidance”
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 7 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 828
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to retain the language and highlight that this guidance only as it cannot be re-expressed as a computable conformance statement
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Amend to suggest to prefix with “Conformance guidance”
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 7 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 824
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Same as before
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 327
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Freida Hall seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 7 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 332
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Les Keeper seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 7 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 326
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to re-open and make this an RE
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 332
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Rob Snelick seconds
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 337
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Will address when Austin Kreisler returns
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 543
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 544
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">See Comment 2 for MSA.3-6
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to turn the comment on MSA.2 “This value will be the MSH.10 message control ID from the message being acknowledge.” into a conformance statement and remove the comment on MSA.1 and the first sentence of MSA.2 comment as this repeats base standard language effective
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Rob Snelick moves, Riki Merrick seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 545
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">See Comment 176
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 550
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to remove comments from ERR.3, ERR.4, and ERR.7
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">If ERR.3 has a value of “0” ERR-4 will have a value of “I” as a conformance statement into the guide
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Scott Robertson moves, Les Keepper seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 552
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 553
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 554
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 555
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find change to 1.1 as it is an R
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 556
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Riki Merrick moves, Scott Robertson seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 for
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 557
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">See Comment 555
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">No. 558
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Motion to find not persuasive
 * <span style="font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Scott Robertson moves, Riki Merrick seconds; 0 against, 0 abstain, 6 forp

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