LRI+IGs+Analysis+WG+Meeting+2011-11-10

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LRI IGs Analysis WG Meeting Minutes
**Date:** 11/10/2011 **Time:** 2:00PM – 4:00PM EDT Webex: **[]** WebEx Passcode: **HL7OO** Dial-in: **1-888-998-2663** Audio passcode: **2410512**
 * Meeting Agenda:**
 * = **ID** ||= **Key Discussion Items** ||= **Duration** ||= **Presenter** ||
 * = 1 ||= Discuss Proposal on No. 692 ||= 10 Minutes ||= Riki Merrick, David Burgess, Cindy Johns ||
 * = 2 ||= Review No. 701-705 ||= 10 Minutes ||= Joan DuHaime ||
 * = 3 ||= Ballot Reconciliation ||= 100 Minutes ||= Hans Buitendijk ||

Attendance
Austin Kreisler, Freida Hall, Ken McCaslin, Kathryn Calderone, Brian Pech, Cindy Johns, Rob Snelick, Bob Yencha, Cindy Vinion, David Burgess, Glen Moy, Riki Merrick, Rob Hausam, Sheryl Taylor, Tom Boal, Neeli Bajaj, Ron Van Duyne, Natalie Menser

Action Items

 * **#** || **Date Initiated** || **Action** || **Owner** || **Status** || **Date Closed** ||
 * 1 || 11/10/2011 || Send Bob Yencha the document regarding Condition Predicated presented by Rob Snelick || Hans Buitendijk || In Progress ||  ||
 * 2 || 11/10/2011 || Follow up with the Vocab group and Cindy Johns regarding comments: 702-706; 709 || Riki Merrick || In Progress ||  ||

Meeting Notes

 * **Rob Snelick Proposal on Condition Predicates **
 * **Point 1 **
 * Condition predicate will apply here; if t.q.1. 8 is not valued, then element 7 start date time is required, else it is required or empty;
 * The group voted for 2
 * **Point 2 **
 * **2 A: **All in favor
 * Bob Yencha- need to make note, if they see HD, if not tied to profiles, that it is tied to the base standard. We might want to say something like- refer to base standard;
 * **2 B: **Other suggestions would need to be clarified up on the conformance section. Other option is to duplicate the segment table and this message table.
 * Three options
 * Below the table
 * In the comments
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Use special word in DT- Group voted for this option.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Separate tables by profile
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Point 3 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Group is in agreement
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Point 4 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">All in agreement; discussion here is around style…not content;
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Point 5 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Group is ok with the general principle.
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Ballot Reconciliation **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">58 duplicate sets identified
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">About 600 comments left
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 819 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 3-1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Discussion around adding the footnote (No. 283)
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 823
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Comments #283 and #823 satisfy the problem
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Persuasive with Mod
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 692 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Cindy, Riki, David will follow up
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 701-705 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">701- First one is a value set for HL7- reference to 2.7; value set for specimen type is clearly laid out in 2.7; no value set in 2.5.1.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Specimen list from 2.7
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Riki will follow up with Vocab WG to ensure the proposal will work, so 701 will remain yellow even though we have voted.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">702: Riki to follow up with Vocab to clarify; same on 703,704,705
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">706 is also related; will talk with Cindy Johns.
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 707 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Refer to section 4-3 on LOINC
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">REFER TO No.263; change “shall to should”
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">LOINC shall be used if the appropriate LOINC Code Exists
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Refer to 710 as well;
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Seems the group still feels that sections of this still need more time; they have kept it yellow;
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 709 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Not persuasive with mod
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Motion to find not persuasive, but as Riki Merrick will work with the Vocab group to get a clear sentence;
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 712 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See resolution of comments no. 702-705
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 713- 729 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Since this is not a Public Health document, do the codes need to be listed here?
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Ken- removing them makes sense
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Accept as persuasive and as written
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Ken McCaslin, David Burgess
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 721 is slightly different, but also accepted.
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 730 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 354
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">S&I Harmonization Responsible Party
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 904 **
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Section 4-6
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Anatomic Pathology
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Ken- without the pilot, not sure how we will tighten it up
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">S&I Harmonization/ Vocab- responsible parties
 * **<span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 675, 676, 677, Refer to table 4.1 **

Next Meeting
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