LRI+IGs+Analysis+WG+Meeting+2011-11-01

include component="page" wikiName="siframework" page="LRI Header" __**Thursday 11/3- LRI IGs Analysis WG Meeting**__ Webex: **[]** WebEx Passcode: **HL7OO** Dial-in: **1-888-998-2663** Audio passcode: **2410512** [|DraftMotion-CWE_RM.txt]  ||  10 Minutes   ||  Riki Merrick/Austin Kreisler   ||
 * Meeting Agenda:**
 * **ID ** ||  **Key Discussion Items **  ||  **Duration **  ||  **Presenter **  ||
 * 1  ||  Proposal on No.144/145
 * 2  ||  Ballot Reconciliation   ||  110 Minutes   ||  Hans Buitendijk   ||

Attendance
Hans Buitendijk, David Burgess, Kathryn Calderone, neelima chennamaraja, Robert Dieterle, Freida Hall, Rob Hausam, Lester Keepper, Austin Kreisler, Ken McCaslin, Natalie Menser, Riki Merrick, Van Nguyen, Chitra Raghu, Zeshan Rajput, Scott Robertson, Sheryl Taylor, Bob Yencha

Action Items

 * **#** || **Date Initiated** || **Action** || **Owner** || **Status** || **Date Closed** ||
 * 1 || 11/01/2011 || Develop a proposal on No. 873 || Austin Kreisler || In Progress ||  ||

Meeting Notes

 * Proposal 144/145
 * The group accepted the updates per the proposal.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Supported by Austin Kreisler & Riki Merrick
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Persuasive with Mod
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Fix lower case ‘x’ to X
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">12 For, 0 Against, 0 Abstain
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 873
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">To review on Thursday
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 925
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See Disposition Comment
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Need input from Rob Snelick
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 123
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Need input from Rob Snelick
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 210, 211, 221, 222, 223
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Hans to follow up
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 915
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Typo; persuasive; assigned to S&I Harmonization
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 266
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 3.1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 266 is not persuasive with mod (Austin motioned)
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">We are going to get rid of the description field, as we do want to indicate the segments from the base standard that still could be considered for optional use.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Bob Yencha – at the top of the guide, we should explain how we treated optional items (data type optional items are not included) so we should have language to explain why we excluded optional info for data type but not for data segment
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 267
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Refer to Disposition Comment
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 268
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Motion to find all suggestions to remove components marked as ‘Optional’ to ‘X’ not persuasive as it is counter to the general approach to still have optional components to enable trading partners to extent (without conflict) with additional profiles without mandating those additional projects for out of the box exchange of lab results.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 905 Resolved
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Refer to No. 269
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 270
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 1-3
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">The first column is an exact copy of the standard, we need to clarify the base standard; that is why it may occur as an optional, even though the Usage column might require it per the implementation guide; motion to clarify the column in section 1.6.2
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Austin Kreisler/ Ken McCaslin
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Work with editor to develop appropriate language: S&I Harmonization
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 272
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Link to #905 and #268
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 273
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See #268
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 274
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See #905
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 275
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See #268
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 276
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See #905
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 277
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See #270
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 279
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See #905
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 282
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Original intent is to echo back from the originating order; motion to update the text to refill the usage and the rationale as indicated
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Do not agree with changing usage from 0-X
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Not persuasive with mod
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 283
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Reference to Table 3-1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Bob Yencha: for everything people don’t want to look up, people will want their hand held a little tighter; the more external referencing you do the more links need to be maintained;
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Make the motion we clarify this
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Bob Yencha supports the change from “there is no direct way to tell which specimen is a particular OBX is associated with” to…”there is no direct way to tell which specimen this OBX is associated with.”
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">There was discussion on adding a footnote on “there are other hL7 messages…”
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Still yellow; half approved; the other half of the question needs addressing.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 819
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 3-1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 822
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">See Disposition Comment
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 3.1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Y & Z are missing
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Info is not different; it’s a style difference
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Does Rob have good rationale for R before X? If we do it the other way, then we have Y & Z to deal with.
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Motion to create a constrained table of values except Y and Z (per vocabulary section 4) and change the usage/condition statement C(R/X) * If OBR.25 is A,C,F,P or R
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Persuasive with mod
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Ready for Bob Yencha to work on
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 823
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 3-1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Proposal on how to enhance this wording:
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Austin will prepare the proposal- will engage with Rob Snelick
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 824
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Snapshot processing
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Table 3-1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Remove text around snapshot paragraph from the segment descriptions, while recognizing that all results messages particularly micro-culture susceptibility, are to be sent in snapshot mode only. Point to comment (see comment #1 as well); Comment #1 addresses a single place to describe it upfront
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Freida Hall: looks like it’s in table 3-1
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">Order observation section
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 883,884- refer to #822; 886- refer to #824
 * <span style="color: black; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; font-size: 13px;">No. 271

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Reference Materials
[|V251_IG_SIF_LABRESULTS_R1_N1_2011SEP_consolidated-1-Nov-2011.xls]

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